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12137/Punjab Mail
That was not Through Service but through tickets issued as Bombay Mail (1884 Pic 1)1. Bombay-JBP-ALD, ALD-GZB-Lahore-Peshawar (LHR since 1870, 1875-76 Pic 2, 1888-89 Pic 3). This continued later for through traffic from JBP/STA etc to Delhi/Punjab!!2. Bombay-ADI, ADI-DLI (MG), ADI-AGC (MG), AGC/DLI-Lahore-Peshawar (Pic 4 1888-1889)
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12137/Punjab Mail
That was not Through Service but through tickets issued as Bombay Mail (1884 Pic 1)1. Bombay-JBP-ALD, ALD-GZB-Lahore-Peshawar (LHR since 1870, 1875-76 Pic 2, 1888-89 Pic 3). This continued later for through traffic from JBP/STA etc to Delhi/Punjab!!2. Bombay-ADI, ADI-DLI (MG), ADI-AGC (MG), AGC/DLI-Lahore-Peshawar (Pic 4 1888-1889)
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12137/Punjab Mail
That was not Through Service but through tickets issued as Bombay Mail (1884 Pic 1)1. Bombay-JBP-ALD, ALD-GZB-Lahore-Peshawar (LHR since 1870, 1875-76 Pic 2, 1888-89 Pic 3). This continued later for through traffic from JBP/STA etc to Delhi/Punjab!!2. Bombay-ADI, ADI-DLI (MG), ADI-AGC (MG), AGC/DLI-Lahore-Peshawar (Pic 4 1888-1889)
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12137/Punjab Mail
The real History: 1 Nov 1889 is Inaugural Date1. 1870: Bombay Mail Non Through Via ALD-GZB. Carriage change @ ALD/GZB. Later ALD-Lahore become through (1/2 Mail to GZB & Punjab Mail henceforth). This was "Through Ticket" not Carriage.2. 1889: 1 Jan: JHS-TDL Connected. 1 Nov: Composite 1/2 Class through Mail Service for Bombay-Lahore via JHS-AGC-GZB. TT Launched, Existing Mail Sped up click here3. 1880's: Bombay-ADI Gujarat Mail, ADI-DLI Ahmedabad MG Mail, DLI-Peshawar Mail. DLI Peshawar through (1/2 Class Composite)!! This arrangement acted as forerunner of Frontier Mail past Bombay-Kota-DLI through.Imperial Mail/Race Trains/P&O Exp came later on & use to run along...
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12137/Punjab Mail
To presume Section open with Mail Service is incorrect!! Pic 3 AnalysisHalt Pattern: 1867 HWH Chord Mail - 5 out of 31 (Pass 19 & Local Pass 31)* 1868 MAS-SBC/CBE - 16/15/12 out of 21 and 26/25/23 out of 30 (Stopped every Station past JTJ. Projected Mail got most halt)Speed: 1867 HWH Chord Mail manage 60 against 41 (2nd Best) * 1868 MAS-SBC/CBE manage 34/27/24 ((Projected MAS Mail was 2nd best)If SBC/Bypore Mail started 1864/1862, how come their halt pattern & speed was as good as passenger & improved in 1935 or earlier when regular Exp show up. We still dont...
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12137/Punjab Mail
To presume Section open with Mail Service is incorrect!! Pic 3 AnalysisHalt Pattern: 1867 HWH Chord Mail - 5 out of 31 (Pass 19 & Local Pass 31)* 1868 MAS-SBC/CBE - 16/15/12 out of 21 and 26/25/23 out of 30 (Stopped every Station past JTJ. Projected Mail got most halt)Speed: 1867 HWH Chord Mail manage 60 against 41 (2nd Best) * 1868 MAS-SBC/CBE manage 34/27/24 ((Projected MAS Mail was 2nd best)If SBC/Bypore Mail started 1864/1862, how come their halt pattern & speed was as good as passenger & improved in 1935 or earlier when regular Exp show up. We still dont...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
Its better to Strike Out 2/3/4/5/6: Already provided evidence for 2, 4 and 6 with newspaper articles about the inaugural runs and Railway board reports.For 3 - MAS - CSTM mailAttached is a scan from January 6th, 1872 with an announcement that through trains are now allowed over the Krishna bridge at Raichur (Refer to the column 1 - Great Indian Peninsular railway announcement) and that "through booking of 1st, 2nd and 3rd class passengers between Madras and GIP railway (Bombay) and through booking of passengers and goods between Bombay and East Indian railway (Calcutta, ALD) would be opened from 1st...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
"How train can run in MAS-Beypore in 1862 when CBE-PDJ was live in 1873!! I guess MAQ & SBC Mail Wiki page been fabricated by you" - Bold claims without any research.1st mistake - CBE - PTJ was a branch line. Original MAS-Beypore line bypassed CBE. The present day line between Irugur and Podanur was the original line. Irugur - Coimbatore North line was only opened in 1953. Until then all mainline trains didn't touch CBE.Proofs - 1) History of Indian railways - published in 1964 (Published by the railway board every year until 1964) Sankaridurg - Podanur section opened...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
"How train can run in MAS-Beypore in 1862 when CBE-PDJ was live in 1873!! I guess MAQ & SBC Mail Wiki page been fabricated by you" - Bold claims without any research.1st mistake - CBE - PTJ was a branch line. Original MAS-Beypore line bypassed CBE. The present day line between Irugur and Podanur was the original line. Irugur - Coimbatore North line was only opened in 1953. Until then all mainline trains didn't touch CBE.Proofs - 1) History of Indian railways - published in 1964 (Published by the railway board every year until 1964) Sankaridurg - Podanur section opened...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
"How train can run in MAS-Beypore in 1862 when CBE-PDJ was live in 1873!! I guess MAQ & SBC Mail Wiki page been fabricated by you" - Bold claims without any research.1st mistake - CBE - PTJ was a branch line. Original MAS-Beypore line bypassed CBE. The present day line between Irugur and Podanur was the original line. Irugur - Coimbatore North line was only opened in 1953. Until then all mainline trains didn't touch CBE.Proofs - 1) History of Indian railways - published in 1964 (Published by the railway board every year until 1964) Sankaridurg - Podanur section opened...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
Strong claims on your part without evidence - "2. Yamuna Bridge completed in 1867 (It finished in 1866, 1/2 Mail entered DLI in 1866 with no ferry)"My evidence - Article dated January 14th, 1867 in the Times of India. I've attached the full page scan and also a zoom in of the specific article - which clearly states that the bridge was opened on New year's day, 1867. Mail did not enter Delhi in 1866 without ferry. The bridge was only opened on January 1st, 1867.
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
This Screenshot of your show 1/2 Punjab Mail with UMB & Rawalpindi underlined. Bottom note reads: A bar drawn thus ------------ across a timing indicates that train either does not run further or passenger must change. UMB marked as "Change to NWR Train"as well!! I guess 1/2 Mail was "Through Train" for Lahore/Peshawar till UMB-Kalka open up & hence named Punjab Mail for brief period!!PS: Its Punjab Mail one "Through Coach" attached to Frontier Mail for LHR-Peshawar instead of Puny Punjab Mail with 1-2 Coach been dragged in by other Lahore/Peshawar bound train as "Through Coach". Your write up mostly sound...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
"Madras, Poona, Imperial, Howrah Mail (via NGP) started 1st March 1913"I've attached the 1912 Bradshaw - You can see that all these trains are present in that.Picture 1,2 - GIP timetable from 1912 for the Bombay - Bhusaval-Bina (NE line) section. You can see the 7 Calcutta mail - this is the present day 12321/22 HWH mail. In picture 2, you can see this train deviating at Itarsi while the Punjab mail and the Delhi express (present day 11057/58 Amritsar express) go on towards Delhi.The 1 Nagpur mail was the Howrah mail via Nagpur.Picture 3 - The GIP Punjab mail's schedule...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
"Madras, Poona, Imperial, Howrah Mail (via NGP) started 1st March 1913"I've attached the 1912 Bradshaw - You can see that all these trains are present in that.Picture 1,2 - GIP timetable from 1912 for the Bombay - Bhusaval-Bina (NE line) section. You can see the 7 Calcutta mail - this is the present day 12321/22 HWH mail. In picture 2, you can see this train deviating at Itarsi while the Punjab mail and the Delhi express (present day 11057/58 Amritsar express) go on towards Delhi.The 1 Nagpur mail was the Howrah mail via Nagpur.Picture 3 - The GIP Punjab mail's schedule...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
"Madras, Poona, Imperial, Howrah Mail (via NGP) started 1st March 1913"I've attached the 1912 Bradshaw - You can see that all these trains are present in that.Picture 1,2 - GIP timetable from 1912 for the Bombay - Bhusaval-Bina (NE line) section. You can see the 7 Calcutta mail - this is the present day 12321/22 HWH mail. In picture 2, you can see this train deviating at Itarsi while the Punjab mail and the Delhi express (present day 11057/58 Amritsar express) go on towards Delhi.The 1 Nagpur mail was the Howrah mail via Nagpur.Picture 3 - The GIP Punjab mail's schedule...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
"Madras, Poona, Imperial, Howrah Mail (via NGP) started 1st March 1913"I've attached the 1912 Bradshaw - You can see that all these trains are present in that.Picture 1,2 - GIP timetable from 1912 for the Bombay - Bhusaval-Bina (NE line) section. You can see the 7 Calcutta mail - this is the present day 12321/22 HWH mail. In picture 2, you can see this train deviating at Itarsi while the Punjab mail and the Delhi express (present day 11057/58 Amritsar express) go on towards Delhi.The 1 Nagpur mail was the Howrah mail via Nagpur.Picture 3 - The GIP Punjab mail's schedule...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
"Madras, Poona, Imperial, Howrah Mail (via NGP) started 1st March 1913"I've attached the 1912 Bradshaw - You can see that all these trains are present in that.Picture 1,2 - GIP timetable from 1912 for the Bombay - Bhusaval-Bina (NE line) section. You can see the 7 Calcutta mail - this is the present day 12321/22 HWH mail. In picture 2, you can see this train deviating at Itarsi while the Punjab mail and the Delhi express (present day 11057/58 Amritsar express) go on towards Delhi.The 1 Nagpur mail was the Howrah mail via Nagpur.Picture 3 - The GIP Punjab mail's schedule...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
"Madras, Poona, Imperial, Howrah Mail (via NGP) started 1st March 1913"I've attached the 1912 Bradshaw - You can see that all these trains are present in that.Picture 1,2 - GIP timetable from 1912 for the Bombay - Bhusaval-Bina (NE line) section. You can see the 7 Calcutta mail - this is the present day 12321/22 HWH mail. In picture 2, you can see this train deviating at Itarsi while the Punjab mail and the Delhi express (present day 11057/58 Amritsar express) go on towards Delhi.The 1 Nagpur mail was the Howrah mail via Nagpur.Picture 3 - The GIP Punjab mail's schedule...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
"Madras, Poona, Imperial, Howrah Mail (via NGP) started 1st March 1913"I've attached the 1912 Bradshaw - You can see that all these trains are present in that.Picture 1,2 - GIP timetable from 1912 for the Bombay - Bhusaval-Bina (NE line) section. You can see the 7 Calcutta mail - this is the present day 12321/22 HWH mail. In picture 2, you can see this train deviating at Itarsi while the Punjab mail and the Delhi express (present day 11057/58 Amritsar express) go on towards Delhi.The 1 Nagpur mail was the Howrah mail via Nagpur.Picture 3 - The GIP Punjab mail's schedule...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
1) Imperial mail and the 12321/12322 HWH CSTM mail are DIFFERENT trains. Do not confuse between them. Imperial mail started in November, 1926 as a postal special - Yes, it carried passengers too - but the main objective was to convey the English mail to Calcutta and further to Rangoon. The railways operated postal specials with 1st class passenger accomodation between Bombay-MAdras, Bombay-Delhi-LAhore/Simla/Peshawar and Bomaby-Calcutta at least since 1898. The first such train ran between Bombay and Calcutta in 1889.The regular Bombay - Calcutta mail has been running as through carriages since 1870 and as a standalone train since 1897.2) The...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
1) Imperial mail and the 12321/12322 HWH CSTM mail are DIFFERENT trains. Do not confuse between them. Imperial mail started in November, 1926 as a postal special - Yes, it carried passengers too - but the main objective was to convey the English mail to Calcutta and further to Rangoon. The railways operated postal specials with 1st class passenger accomodation between Bombay-MAdras, Bombay-Delhi-LAhore/Simla/Peshawar and Bomaby-Calcutta at least since 1898. The first such train ran between Bombay and Calcutta in 1889.The regular Bombay - Calcutta mail has been running as through carriages since 1870 and as a standalone train since 1897.2) The...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
1) Imperial mail and the 12321/12322 HWH CSTM mail are DIFFERENT trains. Do not confuse between them. Imperial mail started in November, 1926 as a postal special - Yes, it carried passengers too - but the main objective was to convey the English mail to Calcutta and further to Rangoon. The railways operated postal specials with 1st class passenger accomodation between Bombay-MAdras, Bombay-Delhi-LAhore/Simla/Peshawar and Bomaby-Calcutta at least since 1898. The first such train ran between Bombay and Calcutta in 1889.The regular Bombay - Calcutta mail has been running as through carriages since 1870 and as a standalone train since 1897.2) The...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
1) Imperial mail and the 12321/12322 HWH CSTM mail are DIFFERENT trains. Do not confuse between them. Imperial mail started in November, 1926 as a postal special - Yes, it carried passengers too - but the main objective was to convey the English mail to Calcutta and further to Rangoon. The railways operated postal specials with 1st class passenger accomodation between Bombay-MAdras, Bombay-Delhi-LAhore/Simla/Peshawar and Bomaby-Calcutta at least since 1898. The first such train ran between Bombay and Calcutta in 1889.The regular Bombay - Calcutta mail has been running as through carriages since 1870 and as a standalone train since 1897.2) The...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
1) Imperial mail and the 12321/12322 HWH CSTM mail are DIFFERENT trains. Do not confuse between them. Imperial mail started in November, 1926 as a postal special - Yes, it carried passengers too - but the main objective was to convey the English mail to Calcutta and further to Rangoon. The railways operated postal specials with 1st class passenger accomodation between Bombay-MAdras, Bombay-Delhi-LAhore/Simla/Peshawar and Bomaby-Calcutta at least since 1898. The first such train ran between Bombay and Calcutta in 1889.The regular Bombay - Calcutta mail has been running as through carriages since 1870 and as a standalone train since 1897.2) The...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
1) Imperial mail and the 12321/12322 HWH CSTM mail are DIFFERENT trains. Do not confuse between them. Imperial mail started in November, 1926 as a postal special - Yes, it carried passengers too - but the main objective was to convey the English mail to Calcutta and further to Rangoon. The railways operated postal specials with 1st class passenger accomodation between Bombay-MAdras, Bombay-Delhi-LAhore/Simla/Peshawar and Bomaby-Calcutta at least since 1898. The first such train ran between Bombay and Calcutta in 1889.The regular Bombay - Calcutta mail has been running as through carriages since 1870 and as a standalone train since 1897.2) The...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
1) Imperial mail and the 12321/12322 HWH CSTM mail are DIFFERENT trains. Do not confuse between them. Imperial mail started in November, 1926 as a postal special - Yes, it carried passengers too - but the main objective was to convey the English mail to Calcutta and further to Rangoon. The railways operated postal specials with 1st class passenger accomodation between Bombay-MAdras, Bombay-Delhi-LAhore/Simla/Peshawar and Bomaby-Calcutta at least since 1898. The first such train ran between Bombay and Calcutta in 1889.The regular Bombay - Calcutta mail has been running as through carriages since 1870 and as a standalone train since 1897.2) The...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
1) Imperial mail and the 12321/12322 HWH CSTM mail are DIFFERENT trains. Do not confuse between them. Imperial mail started in November, 1926 as a postal special - Yes, it carried passengers too - but the main objective was to convey the English mail to Calcutta and further to Rangoon. The railways operated postal specials with 1st class passenger accomodation between Bombay-MAdras, Bombay-Delhi-LAhore/Simla/Peshawar and Bomaby-Calcutta at least since 1898. The first such train ran between Bombay and Calcutta in 1889.The regular Bombay - Calcutta mail has been running as through carriages since 1870 and as a standalone train since 1897.2) The...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
1) Imperial mail and the 12321/12322 HWH CSTM mail are DIFFERENT trains. Do not confuse between them. Imperial mail started in November, 1926 as a postal special - Yes, it carried passengers too - but the main objective was to convey the English mail to Calcutta and further to Rangoon. The railways operated postal specials with 1st class passenger accomodation between Bombay-MAdras, Bombay-Delhi-LAhore/Simla/Peshawar and Bomaby-Calcutta at least since 1898. The first such train ran between Bombay and Calcutta in 1889.The regular Bombay - Calcutta mail has been running as through carriages since 1870 and as a standalone train since 1897.2) The...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
Kalka mail and the HWH-CSTM mail via JBP have a complicated history.In 1867, there were through coaches running from Howrah to Delhi through 2-3 separate trains (HWH - MGS by the mail train, MGS - ALD by another train and ALD to DLI by another train).In 1870, the CSTM- ALD route was opened throughout. At this point, the GIP started running a main train between Bombay and Jabalpur (where their jurisdiction ended). Here, passengers transferred to another train belonging to the EIR, which ran to Allahabad. At Allahabad, the Bombay coaches and the coaches coming from Delhi were merged into a...
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
To correct some of the inaccuracies here - 1) The Punjab Limited and the Punjab mail are unrelated trains. The Punjab Limited was a postal special train that started operating from 27th October, 1927 in competition with the BB&CIRs P.O Express. It operated only for a few months before being cancelled.2) The Punjab mail as we know it today, started operating from 15th March, 1905. I've attached a newspaper article with the train's inauguration announcement. It ran to Peshawar only for a few years - between 1912 and 1928. Even during that time, it ran combined with other trains between LAhore...
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12137/Punjab Mail
4. Darjeeling Mail July 15, 1878. Break journey SDAH-Damukhdia in 1st leg; Padma Cross; then Ishwardi-Siliguri in 2nd Leg. Year taken From IRFCA.Damukhdia Rail Station & Loop line current location given
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12137/Punjab Mail
109 साल की हुई पंजाब मेल
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
I think it is thru google ,Punjab mail[1 June 1912] was older by 16years in comparison to Frontier mail .Punjab mail used to run from Ballard pier later changed to V.T (CSMT)But Frontier mail (1 sept 1928)was more popular with British and it used to travel from Churchgate to Peshawar in Pakistan in 46 hours .supposed to be fastest train at that time .it had dining car too Later on once Mumbai central station was constructed it used to depart from here .Both pic of Frontier mail Pic source Google
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSMT/Mumbai CSM Terminus
I think it is thru google ,Punjab mail[1 June 1912] was older by 16years in comparison to Frontier mail .Punjab mail used to run from Ballard pier later changed to V.T (CSMT)But Frontier mail (1 sept 1928)was more popular with British and it used to travel from Churchgate to Peshawar in Pakistan in 46 hours .supposed to be fastest train at that time .it had dining car too Later on once Mumbai central station was constructed it used to depart from here .Both pic of Frontier mail Pic source Google
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12621/Tamil Nadu Express
BPL/Bhopal Junction
TN and other trains 130 approval requested by Bhopal division between ET-BPL-Bina dated Jan 11th 2021 and may be still waiting for approval. These approvals are requested for 23 coach rake. Thanks.
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12137/Punjab Mail
VGLJ/VGL Jhansi Junction
Couple of images from the old days.
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12137/Punjab Mail
VGLJ/VGL Jhansi Junction
Couple of images from the old days.
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12137/Punjab Mail
NRW/Narwana Junction
1 दिसम्बर से भोपाल अवं हबीबगंज से गुजरने वाली पंजाब मेल और झेलम स्पेशल एक्सप्रेस ट्रेन का संचालन रोहतक जींद नरवाना जाखल बठिण्डा रुट पर 02137/38पंजाब मेल एक्सप्रेस 1दिसंबर से चलेगी।
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18. #Punjabmail 12137 40 min speedup
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12137/Punjab Mail
CSTM/Mumbai CSM Terminus
Cstm-firozpur spl dec 1
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12137/Punjab Mail
Punjab Mail as Special from 1 dec LHB rakes
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