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Blog Entry# 4976798
Posted: Jun 04 2021 (10:15)

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Jun 04 2021 (10:15)   12311/Netaji Express (PT) | HWH/Howrah Junction (23 PFs)
Vinay Kumar
Vinay Kumar   23030 blog posts
Entry# 4976798            Tags   Past Edits
1861 Pic 9: EIR 1/2 Mail Clearly Marked & hence oldest Running Train. HWH-BWN-Raniganj
Pic 2/3: GIPR: Mixed Service. Bombay-KSRA, Thul Ghat Convey, IGP-CSN * Bombay-Tillowlee, Bhore Ghat Convey, KAD-Pune/SUR
Pic 4: BB&CI: Mixed Service BL-AKV, Horse/Carriage, BH-BRC
Pic 6: Madras Railway: 1,2,3 Passenger MAS-Tripatoor. MAS DEP/ARR: 1861 6:15/20:31 MAQ Mail 20:20/5:40. With opposite schedule it cant be forerunner of MAQ Mail. 1861/1868 Pass
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MAS DEP MAS @ 6:15/05:00 Malabar 1935 DEP 20:05. Malabar Exp & MAQ Mail together cant be successor of 1,2,3 Pass with opposite schedule (No M/E in MAS-MAQ till 1868 & i guess not before 1907. Till 1955 none 1/2 MAQ Mail click here but show up in 1960 click here Its oldest named train which still exist & 1/2 Mail existed in 1861 with Night/Morning HWH DEP/ARR like Kalka Mail!!

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Jun 23 2021 (15:34)
Vinay Kumar   23030 blog posts
Re# 4976798-48               Past Edits
1861: Evening Mail, 1867: 1 Chord Mail, 1870: Fast Mail No 9. 1867 run was via ASN-PNBE not Gaya (Its Chord not Grand Chord)!!
Earlier Class use to be highlighted: 1 & 2 Mail, 1 & 2 Interclass. 1 & 2 Mail. There was no space left to show Mail if Inter was mentioned. It was 1&2 Interclass in between HWH-BWN-ASN. Thats why i mentioned to check train's schedule in ALD-DLI where its 1,2,3 Mail as Inter use to run in between HWH-BWN/RNG!!
Its never tough to check which was Kalka Mail basis
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its HWH evening Dep!! Books are of 35 MB size with few pages of TT. I guess that cant be uploaded. And i dont think anyone would be willing to read separate books of 1858, 61, 64 etc!!
I am working on MAS-MAQ Mail. Will show its journey somewhere!!

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Jun 23 2021 (22:07)
Jordan~
Jordan~   8158 blog posts
Re# 4976798-49              
The history of kalka mail is almost clear now, but I still have a few queries
1. When did bombay mail come into existence, and can we even trace it's chronology?
2. What about imperial? It's been argued much that it was different from bombay mail. In fact the TT shared shows it's run via Bina.
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Jun 23 2021 (23:12)
Vinay Kumar   23030 blog posts
Re# 4976798-50               Past Edits
Its very complicated to track trains in a go. I am into MAS-MAQ, MAS-TVC Mail since few days. In between work its tough to track out as MAS-MAQ, MAS-NGT, TVC, CBE, SBC & Bombay-MAS Mail is very complex and at some time all got "through coach" shared in very complex way. I am trying to create timeline for the same!!
Imperial Mail was called this way coz: Bombay-Calcutta Line was termed of Imperial Importance by Lord Dalhousie as it connects Calcutta to Imperial British via Bombay (remember: the faster Service was Imperial Indian Mail not Imperial Mail)!!
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i am done with MAS-MAQ/TVC Mail, i will reconnect with Bombay Mail. And one note: Bombay-Poona Poona Mail was forerunner of Bombay-Madras Mail & then Singhad Exp...while Poona-Miraj MG Poona Mail was forerunner of Sahyadri Exp!!

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Oct 16 2021 (16:55)
Vinay Kumar   23030 blog posts
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click here The real 10 Mail: Mettupalayam DN 10 Mail (MAS 18:40, MTP 8:10) in 1920!! 1918 TT already shown by you with 10 Mail as through train to MTP which you deliberately named Mangalore Mail while slip from 10 Mettupalayam Mail use to connect 12 Podanur-Mangalore Mail (which was discontinued in 1880 as Podanur Beypore Mail until Calicut was connected in 1888)!!
That Slip from 10 Mail was fondly called Mangalore Mail by Natives, but what it become in later years as thru service...To be continued..
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Oct 16 2021 (17:20)
Vinay Kumar   23030 blog posts
Re# 4976798-52               Past Edits
IRFCA Screenshot:
1944: 10 Mail is The Blue Mountain Express while Mangalore Slip become through Malabar Exp. Correct
1955: Malabar Exp become Mangalore Exp (513/514). Wrong. In 1954 Malabar Exp (Pic 6) diverted to Cochin & Mangalore Exp was new train (Dec 1954 5th pic) Still write up show Malabar Exp at Vellore & Coimbatore till 1958 (last 3 pic)
1960: Malabar Exp introduced
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to Mangalore (wrong) & Mangalore Exp (513/514) become Mangalore Mail (1/2) (correct)

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